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	<title>Comments on: Let&#039;s Just Give Up</title>
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		<title>By: quentinp</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2009/06/02/lets-just-give-up/comment-page-1/#comment-5474</link>
		<dc:creator>quentinp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 20:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But basing policy and justifying action on a 29,000-day weather forecast is worse than nonsense.

And, yes, I am a board certified consulting meteorologist.&quot;

LOL!  If so you might be expected to know the difference between climate and weather!  ANd it appears that you do not.  If you are board certified then that explains why a lot of the skeptics are weather forecasters, rather than climatologists.  And explains why we should ignore them (you) when it comes to talking about climate change - because you are board certified and yet still capable of mixing up two totally different concepts.

No one is forecasting weather 80 years out (July 23rd 2080 it will be warm and dry in southern Chicago with strong winds form the east), they are making *climate* predictions (&quot;By the end of the century, projections indicate that North Florida will have more than 165 days (nearly six months) per year over 90˚F, up from roughly 60 days in the 1960s and 1970s.&quot;)

You will notice that the climate prediction has no dates (list of individual days hotter than 90), a very broad range (more than 165...), is an average &quot;by the end of the century&quot; etc.  

Still the climate predictions taken together, combined with what we are already seeing from global warming, which (to 95% probability) is ALREADY being caused by mankind, are still plenty certain enough for us to take action today.

Especially when the only losers seem to be Venezuela and Iran.

Quentin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034;But basing policy and justifying action on a 29,000-day weather forecast is worse than nonsense.</p>
<p>And, yes, I am a board certified consulting meteorologist.&#034;</p>
<p>LOL!  If so you might be expected to know the difference between climate and weather!  ANd it appears that you do not.  If you are board certified then that explains why a lot of the skeptics are weather forecasters, rather than climatologists.  And explains why we should ignore them (you) when it comes to talking about climate change &#8211; because you are board certified and yet still capable of mixing up two totally different concepts.</p>
<p>No one is forecasting weather 80 years out (July 23rd 2080 it will be warm and dry in southern Chicago with strong winds form the east), they are making *climate* predictions (&#034;By the end of the century, projections indicate that North Florida will have more than 165 days (nearly six months) per year over 90˚F, up from roughly 60 days in the 1960s and 1970s.&#034;)</p>
<p>You will notice that the climate prediction has no dates (list of individual days hotter than 90), a very broad range (more than 165&#8230;), is an average &#034;by the end of the century&#034; etc.  </p>
<p>Still the climate predictions taken together, combined with what we are already seeing from global warming, which (to 95% probability) is ALREADY being caused by mankind, are still plenty certain enough for us to take action today.</p>
<p>Especially when the only losers seem to be Venezuela and Iran.</p>
<p>Quentin</p>
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		<title>By: Pierre Champagne</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2009/06/02/lets-just-give-up/comment-page-1/#comment-5455</link>
		<dc:creator>Pierre Champagne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 15:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very important aspect of addressing carbon emissions is that it would decrease our use of fossil fuels, hence the dependency on imported oil in the US as well many other toxic emissions (other than greenhouse gases).

Cap-and-trade may not however be the best way to go about it as there are more efficient alternatives.  See &lt;a href=&quot;http://wavesofthefuture.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A Cap-and-Trade Alternative Solution for Global Warming and the Environment&lt;/a&gt;.

See the link &lt;a href=&quot;http://wavesofthefuture.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cap-and-Trade vs Cap-and-Restructure (CO2, Carbon Emission Reduction...)&lt;/a&gt; at the site for a comparison chart and other resources on the subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very important aspect of addressing carbon emissions is that it would decrease our use of fossil fuels, hence the dependency on imported oil in the US as well many other toxic emissions (other than greenhouse gases).</p>
<p>Cap-and-trade may not however be the best way to go about it as there are more efficient alternatives.  See <a href="http://wavesofthefuture.net/" rel="nofollow">A Cap-and-Trade Alternative Solution for Global Warming and the Environment</a>.</p>
<p>See the link <a href="http://wavesofthefuture.net/" rel="nofollow">Cap-and-Trade vs Cap-and-Restructure (CO2, Carbon Emission Reduction&#8230;)</a> at the site for a comparison chart and other resources on the subject.</p>
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