Comments on: Waxman and Markey Fire Starting Gun http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2009/03/31/waxman-and-markey-fire-starting-gun/ Blogging the science and policy of global warming Mon, 16 Nov 2009 07:13:20 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5.2 hourly 1 By: Because Nature Doesn’t do Bail Outs: US, UK activists target Carbon Trading Markets « It’s Getting Hot In Here http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2009/03/31/waxman-and-markey-fire-starting-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-5286 Because Nature Doesn’t do Bail Outs: US, UK activists target Carbon Trading Markets « It’s Getting Hot In Here Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:08:51 +0000 http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2009/03/31/waxman-and-markey-fire-starting-gun/#comment-5286 [...] Published by Cascadia Brian, April 23rd, 2009 global warming 0 Comments While some are cheering the efforts in congress to implement a cap and trade system, many climate activists in [...] [...] Published by Cascadia Brian, April 23rd, 2009 global warming 0 Comments While some are cheering the efforts in congress to implement a cap and trade system, many climate activists in [...]

]]> By: Daniel Rose http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2009/03/31/waxman-and-markey-fire-starting-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-2870 Daniel Rose Wed, 01 Apr 2009 03:05:27 +0000 http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2009/03/31/waxman-and-markey-fire-starting-gun/#comment-2870 I have serious reservations about just about any kind of cap-and-trade program for reducing GHG levels. The failure of Kyoto and and its relations as effective mechanisms for reducing GHG emissions is particularly instructive. It has been a disaster for a number of reasons, not the least because of the statistical impossibility of balancing emissions credit accounts with any meaningful reliability. In addition, it has spawned punitive industries in developing regions that are designed to generate emissions credits for sale to developed countries but which have also destroyed the livelihoods of many populations in these developing regions. These credit generating industries have often also been heavily polluting industries in their own right. Larry Lohmann is the editor and main author of a recent major report on these problems, which is available through the Dag Hammarskjöld Foundation at this link: http://www.dhf.uu.se/FMPro?-db=pub1.fp5&-format=/publications/dd/apubdddetail.html&-lay=weblayout&-sortfield=pubyear&-sortorder=descend&-sortfield=pubissuewithoutcolon&-sortorder=descend&pubtype=development&-max=2147483647&-recid=66&-find=. Mr. Lohmann is a strong advocate of capping emmissions and of spending to increase alternative energy innovation, but sees carbon trading as a serious waste of time, money, and even lives. So, I would like to know how any cap-and-trade program in the US, much less the world, could possibly work to overcome these same sorts of problems, which amount to gaming the system for economic benefit totally at the expense of any possible environmental gain? I have serious reservations about just about any kind of cap-and-trade program for reducing GHG levels. The failure of Kyoto and and its relations as effective mechanisms for reducing GHG emissions is particularly instructive. It has been a disaster for a number of reasons, not the least because of the statistical impossibility of balancing emissions credit accounts with any meaningful reliability. In addition, it has spawned punitive industries in developing regions that are designed to generate emissions credits for sale to developed countries but which have also destroyed the livelihoods of many populations in these developing regions. These credit generating industries have often also been heavily polluting industries in their own right.

Larry Lohmann is the editor and main author of a recent major report on these problems, which is available through the Dag Hammarskjöld Foundation at this link: http://www.dhf.uu.se/FMPro?-db=pub1.fp5&-format=/publications/dd/apubdddetail.html&-lay=weblayout&-sortfield=pubyear&-sortorder=descend&-sortfield=pubissuewithoutcolon&-sortorder=descend&pubtype=development&-max=2147483647&-recid=66&-find=. Mr. Lohmann is a strong advocate of capping emmissions and of spending to increase alternative energy innovation, but sees carbon trading as a serious waste of time, money, and even lives.

So, I would like to know how any cap-and-trade program in the US, much less the world, could possibly work to overcome these same sorts of problems, which amount to gaming the system for economic benefit totally at the expense of any possible environmental gain?

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