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	<title>Comments on: A Viable Coal-to-Liquids Project?</title>
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		<title>By: tmbowers</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2008/07/30/coal_to_liquid/comment-page-1/#comment-1880</link>
		<dc:creator>tmbowers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, thank you for providing your sources for CTL water use!  I am very interested in hearing Consol&#039;s response regarding water use and disposal.  Are you familiar with any techniques for accounting for water resource competition in the O&amp;M costs of CTL plants?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, thank you for providing your sources for CTL water use!  I am very interested in hearing Consol&#039;s response regarding water use and disposal.  Are you familiar with any techniques for accounting for water resource competition in the O&amp;M costs of CTL plants?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Brownstein</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2008/07/30/coal_to_liquid/comment-page-1/#comment-1668</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Brownstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got the number from my friends at World Resources Institute, see http://archive.wri.org/newsroom/wrifeatures_text.cfm?ContentID=4379, for example.  I have a great deal of respect for them, but if you think they are off base, you should let them know.

Before you call them, you might want to review a report from the U.S. Department of Energy&#039;s National Energy Technology Laboratory (NETL), http://www.netl.doe.gov/technologies/oil-gas/publications/AP/IssuesforFEandWater.pdf.  Its a good treatise on water and fossil fuel issues generally, and the second chapter is all about water use and CTL.  It tells us that CTL production requires between 5 and 7.5 gallons of water for each gallon of fuel, depending on whether you are using western or eastern coal.  See page 20. The 7.5:1 ratio is for eastern coal, which is presumably what Consol will be using. 

Aside from coal type, there also seems to be some variability in water usage depending on the type of coal conversion technology being deployed, so we will need to wait for Consol to respond to my water usage question before we know the exact ratio of water to fuel production they will incur before we know for sure.

Finally, In the same report, DOE NETL concludes that &quot;Two issues in the placement of a CTL plant will be (1) availability of water and (2)the environmental concerns related to the discharge of water after use.&quot; (p.27).  It goes on to say that &quot;The withdrawal and consumption of water where the plant would be competing with other users...must be analyzed to further address potential shortages and environmental concerns.&quot;  

Given that over 70% of West Virginia&#039;s surface water supply is already either threatened or impaired, (see EPA data on p. 26 of the aforemention NETL report) it seems fair to ask how CTL production will further impact what is already a stressed resource in West Virginia. I look forward to Consol&#039;s answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got the number from my friends at World Resources Institute, see <a href="http://archive.wri.org/newsroom/wrifeatures_text.cfm?ContentID=4379" rel="nofollow">http://archive.wri.org/newsroom/wrifeatures_text.cfm?ContentID=4379</a>, for example.  I have a great deal of respect for them, but if you think they are off base, you should let them know.</p>
<p>Before you call them, you might want to review a report from the U.S. Department of Energy&#039;s National Energy Technology Laboratory (NETL), <a href="http://www.netl.doe.gov/technologies/oil-gas/publications/AP/IssuesforFEandWater.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.netl.doe.gov/technologies/oil-gas/publications/AP/IssuesforFEandWater.pdf</a>.  Its a good treatise on water and fossil fuel issues generally, and the second chapter is all about water use and CTL.  It tells us that CTL production requires between 5 and 7.5 gallons of water for each gallon of fuel, depending on whether you are using western or eastern coal.  See page 20. The 7.5:1 ratio is for eastern coal, which is presumably what Consol will be using. </p>
<p>Aside from coal type, there also seems to be some variability in water usage depending on the type of coal conversion technology being deployed, so we will need to wait for Consol to respond to my water usage question before we know the exact ratio of water to fuel production they will incur before we know for sure.</p>
<p>Finally, In the same report, DOE NETL concludes that &#034;Two issues in the placement of a CTL plant will be (1) availability of water and (2)the environmental concerns related to the discharge of water after use.&#034; (p.27).  It goes on to say that &#034;The withdrawal and consumption of water where the plant would be competing with other users&#8230;must be analyzed to further address potential shortages and environmental concerns.&#034;  </p>
<p>Given that over 70% of West Virginia&#039;s surface water supply is already either threatened or impaired, (see EPA data on p. 26 of the aforemention NETL report) it seems fair to ask how CTL production will further impact what is already a stressed resource in West Virginia. I look forward to Consol&#039;s answer.</p>
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		<title>By: adampsimpson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2008/07/30/coal_to_liquid/comment-page-1/#comment-1662</link>
		<dc:creator>adampsimpson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where did you get your water numbers?  What consumes all the water?  The Fischer-Tropsch process doesn&#039;t consume water, the refining consume as much as a typical refinery, and I don&#039;t believe coal mining or transportation uses much water.  The only other major component is the gasifier, which could consume water (if it&#039;s fed with a coal slurry), but not on the magnitude you&#039;re reporting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where did you get your water numbers?  What consumes all the water?  The Fischer-Tropsch process doesn&#039;t consume water, the refining consume as much as a typical refinery, and I don&#039;t believe coal mining or transportation uses much water.  The only other major component is the gasifier, which could consume water (if it&#039;s fed with a coal slurry), but not on the magnitude you&#039;re reporting.</p>
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		<title>By: Environmental Capital - WSJ.com : Green Ink: Truth in Advertising</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2008/07/30/coal_to_liquid/comment-page-1/#comment-1659</link>
		<dc:creator>Environmental Capital - WSJ.com : Green Ink: Truth in Advertising</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Defense asks some tough questions about the proposed coal-to-liquid plant in West Virginia, like how much water the plant would really use. The Wonk Room finds that King Coal [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Defense asks some tough questions about the proposed coal-to-liquid plant in West Virginia, like how much water the plant would really use. The Wonk Room finds that King Coal [...]</p>
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