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		<title>By: whamo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2008/04/18/global_warming_test/comment-page-1/#comment-1708</link>
		<dc:creator>whamo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 01:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously science has little to nothing to do with the &quot;manmade global warming&quot; sales pitch.
Public opinion is all that counts. If more people buy into it, the environmental defense fund makes more money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously science has little to nothing to do with the &#034;manmade global warming&#034; sales pitch.<br />
Public opinion is all that counts. If more people buy into it, the environmental defense fund makes more money.</p>
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		<title>By: mikes</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2008/04/18/global_warming_test/comment-page-1/#comment-1241</link>
		<dc:creator>mikes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 23:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sheryl,

OK, but what does &quot;the news&quot; have to do with science?  

Especially from an organization that proclaims, &quot;Strong Science Guides Our Work&quot;?

Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sheryl,</p>
<p>OK, but what does &#034;the news&#034; have to do with science?  </p>
<p>Especially from an organization that proclaims, &#034;Strong Science Guides Our Work&#034;?</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: Sheryl Canter</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2008/04/18/global_warming_test/comment-page-1/#comment-1214</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheryl Canter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mikes - if you are surprised that anyone disagrees with you, then you aren&#039;t following the news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mikes &#8211; if you are surprised that anyone disagrees with you, then you aren&#039;t following the news.</p>
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		<title>By: mikes</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2008/04/18/global_warming_test/comment-page-1/#comment-1202</link>
		<dc:creator>mikes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typo in #8.  Correlation does NOT equal causation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typo in #8.  Correlation does NOT equal causation.</p>
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		<title>By: mikes</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sheryl,

Thanks for your comment but I am surprised to learn there is any dispute about what I wrote.  

#1.  Here is the graph of world temperatures:  wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/uah_march_081.png   Are you disputing the peak in temperatures occurred in 1998 or that temperatures have been dropping over the past year?  

The story of the cooling oceans:
www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88520025   While one can interpret the meaning of the data in various ways, there is zero doubt ocean temperatures are falling.  


#8.  Not sure what you are disputing.  The sun has been very inactive the last year or so.  See a live image for yourself:  sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/mdi_igr/512/

It has been interesting to watch the solar forecasts modified after the fact (!) as demonstrated in this animation:  wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/solar_cycle_23-24_sunspots.gif
Note that the forecasts kept forecasting too much solar activity compared to what has actually occurred.  

As I stated, correlation does equal causation but it is interesting that atmospheric and ocean temperatures have fallen so dramatically during this period of &quot;quiet sun&quot; and further work is clearly needed.  

There was a very significant change in NOAA&#039;s instrumentation during the 1990&#039;s that appears to have introduced a warm bias.  There is evidence this is true in a number of other nations.  There is so much to cite here that one link will not do it justice but here goes:  http://surfacestations.org/   and scroll down to see what climate stations used to look (white Stephenson screens away from buildings, etc.) and what they often look like now.  The net warm bias introduced by the installation of MMTS stations is indisputable.  

#9.  Again, don&#039;t know what you believe is incorrect.  I am a meteorologist and I can state -- without reservation -- that many, and perhaps most, meteorologists have serious issues with the IPCC reports and, especially, the contention the science is &quot;settled.&quot;  But don&#039;t take my word for it, here is an excerpt from an email from Eric Berger, science reporter for the Houston Chronicle, to me written just last week:  &quot;What I do find interesting is that a large proportion of meteorologists -- as opposed to climate scientists -- are deeply skeptical of global warming.&quot;  
 
At the top of your web page, the words &quot;Strong Science&quot; appear.  I am disappointed in your reply that &quot;we think you&#039;re wrong about this (and so does most of the world).&quot;  Science is not about what people &quot;think&quot; or &quot;believe.&quot;  It is about facts and about theories that can be proven.

I was motivated to write because I believe that a posting titled:  &quot;Global Warming Test: The Real Answers&quot; should have answers that are scientifically accurate.  

As a person who considers himself to be an environmentalist, I intend for this information to be helpful.  I hope that it has been.  

Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sheryl,</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment but I am surprised to learn there is any dispute about what I wrote.  </p>
<p>#1.  Here is the graph of world temperatures:  wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/uah_march_081.png   Are you disputing the peak in temperatures occurred in 1998 or that temperatures have been dropping over the past year?  </p>
<p>The story of the cooling oceans:<br />
<a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88520025" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88520025</a>   While one can interpret the meaning of the data in various ways, there is zero doubt ocean temperatures are falling.  </p>
<p>#8.  Not sure what you are disputing.  The sun has been very inactive the last year or so.  See a live image for yourself:  sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/mdi_igr/512/</p>
<p>It has been interesting to watch the solar forecasts modified after the fact (!) as demonstrated in this animation:  wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/solar_cycle_23-24_sunspots.gif<br />
Note that the forecasts kept forecasting too much solar activity compared to what has actually occurred.  </p>
<p>As I stated, correlation does equal causation but it is interesting that atmospheric and ocean temperatures have fallen so dramatically during this period of &#034;quiet sun&#034; and further work is clearly needed.  </p>
<p>There was a very significant change in NOAA&#039;s instrumentation during the 1990&#039;s that appears to have introduced a warm bias.  There is evidence this is true in a number of other nations.  There is so much to cite here that one link will not do it justice but here goes:  <a href="http://surfacestations.org/" rel="nofollow">http://surfacestations.org/</a>   and scroll down to see what climate stations used to look (white Stephenson screens away from buildings, etc.) and what they often look like now.  The net warm bias introduced by the installation of MMTS stations is indisputable.  </p>
<p>#9.  Again, don&#039;t know what you believe is incorrect.  I am a meteorologist and I can state &#8212; without reservation &#8212; that many, and perhaps most, meteorologists have serious issues with the IPCC reports and, especially, the contention the science is &#034;settled.&#034;  But don&#039;t take my word for it, here is an excerpt from an email from Eric Berger, science reporter for the Houston Chronicle, to me written just last week:  &#034;What I do find interesting is that a large proportion of meteorologists &#8212; as opposed to climate scientists &#8212; are deeply skeptical of global warming.&#034;  </p>
<p>At the top of your web page, the words &#034;Strong Science&#034; appear.  I am disappointed in your reply that &#034;we think you&#039;re wrong about this (and so does most of the world).&#034;  Science is not about what people &#034;think&#034; or &#034;believe.&#034;  It is about facts and about theories that can be proven.</p>
<p>I was motivated to write because I believe that a posting titled:  &#034;Global Warming Test: The Real Answers&#034; should have answers that are scientifically accurate.  </p>
<p>As a person who considers himself to be an environmentalist, I intend for this information to be helpful.  I hope that it has been.  </p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: Sheryl Canter</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2008/04/18/global_warming_test/comment-page-1/#comment-1191</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheryl Canter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 22:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mikes - Obviously we think you&#039;re wrong about this (and so does most of the world).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mikes &#8211; Obviously we think you&#039;re wrong about this (and so does most of the world).</p>
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		<title>By: mikes</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2008/04/18/global_warming_test/comment-page-1/#comment-1186</link>
		<dc:creator>mikes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, there are a number of scientifically incorrect answers in this Test.

#1.  The earth&#039;s temperature is NOT increasing.  World air temperatures peaked in 1998.  The more important measure, ocean temperatures, have been falling for four years.  

#8.  &quot;But natural factors like these have not contributed much to today’s warming trend.&quot;  While correlation does not prove causation, there is increasing evidence that solar trends, combined with a change in instrumentation for measuring surface temperature, caused the warming of the 1990&#039;s  The sun has become quite inactive recently and temperatures have correspondingly dropped.  

#9.  It may be a &quot;consensus&quot; of &quot;scientists&quot; believes dramatic action must be taken but it is clear there is no consensus among meteorologists, the scientists that understand the most about weather and atmosphere.  Many meteorologists are deeply skeptical of the IPCC&#039;s case for AGW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, there are a number of scientifically incorrect answers in this Test.</p>
<p>#1.  The earth&#039;s temperature is NOT increasing.  World air temperatures peaked in 1998.  The more important measure, ocean temperatures, have been falling for four years.  </p>
<p>#8.  &#034;But natural factors like these have not contributed much to today’s warming trend.&#034;  While correlation does not prove causation, there is increasing evidence that solar trends, combined with a change in instrumentation for measuring surface temperature, caused the warming of the 1990&#039;s  The sun has become quite inactive recently and temperatures have correspondingly dropped.  </p>
<p>#9.  It may be a &#034;consensus&#034; of &#034;scientists&#034; believes dramatic action must be taken but it is clear there is no consensus among meteorologists, the scientists that understand the most about weather and atmosphere.  Many meteorologists are deeply skeptical of the IPCC&#039;s case for AGW.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheryl Canter</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2008/04/18/global_warming_test/comment-page-1/#comment-1109</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheryl Canter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want to see the ridiculousness, click the link in the first paragraph.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to see the ridiculousness, click the link in the first paragraph.</p>
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		<title>By: davidzet</title>
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		<dc:creator>davidzet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 19:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey -- where are the ridiculousnesses? I want entertainment, not facts! :)

For an interesting view on the results of global warming, see &lt;a href=&quot;http://aguanomics.com/2008/02/six-degrees.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt;. 

Warming in the western US will be &lt;a href=&quot;http://aguanomics.com/2008/03/local-heat.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;50% greater&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey &#8212; where are the ridiculousnesses? I want entertainment, not facts! :)</p>
<p>For an interesting view on the results of global warming, see <a href="http://aguanomics.com/2008/02/six-degrees.html" rel="nofollow">this post</a>. </p>
<p>Warming in the western US will be <a href="http://aguanomics.com/2008/03/local-heat.html" rel="nofollow">50% greater</a></p>
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