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		<title>By: Climate 411 &#187; Why a Bill in 2008? It&#8217;s the Best Answer to High Gas Prices - Blogs &#38; Podcasts - Environmental Defense Fund</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2008/01/30/why_now-good_v_perfect/comment-page-1/#comment-1355</link>
		<dc:creator>Climate 411 &#187; Why a Bill in 2008? It&#8217;s the Best Answer to High Gas Prices - Blogs &#38; Podcasts - Environmental Defense Fund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 19:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Same Politics in 2009 2. Good versus Perfect 3. The Price of Waiting 4. The World is Waiting 5. Best Answer to High Gas [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Climate 411 &#187; Why a Bill in 2008: The World is Waiting - Blogs &#38; Podcasts - Environmental Defense Fund</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2008/01/30/why_now-good_v_perfect/comment-page-1/#comment-934</link>
		<dc:creator>Climate 411 &#187; Why a Bill in 2008: The World is Waiting - Blogs &#38; Podcasts - Environmental Defense Fund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Same Politics in 2009 2. Good versus Perfect 3. The Price of Waiting 4. The World is Waiting 5. The Race is [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Climate 411 &#187; Why a Bill in 2008: Price of Waiting - Blogs &#38; Podcasts - Environmental Defense</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2008/01/30/why_now-good_v_perfect/comment-page-1/#comment-795</link>
		<dc:creator>Climate 411 &#187; Why a Bill in 2008: Price of Waiting - Blogs &#38; Podcasts - Environmental Defense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Kreindler, Media Director for the National Climate Campaign at Environmental Defense. Also see the previous post in the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sheryl Canter</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2008/01/30/why_now-good_v_perfect/comment-page-1/#comment-788</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheryl Canter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Air pollution particles filtering out the Sun - called &quot;global dimming&quot; - caused a cooling effect before the Clean Air Act in 1970. Now the warming effect far outstrips the cooling. See our post on &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/04/03/global_dimming/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Global Dimming&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Air pollution particles filtering out the Sun &#8211; called &#034;global dimming&#034; &#8211; caused a cooling effect before the Clean Air Act in 1970. Now the warming effect far outstrips the cooling. See our post on <a href="http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/04/03/global_dimming/" rel="nofollow">Global Dimming</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: skeptic1</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2008/01/30/why_now-good_v_perfect/comment-page-1/#comment-779</link>
		<dc:creator>skeptic1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 05:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t worry converger, CO2 doesn&#039;t even cause global warming.  It was assumed to early on but this has been show not to be true.  It is 80% or more due to water vapor (the greenhouse effect that is).

In fact carbon particulates from coal plants probably filter the sun and reduce the heating.

I&#039;m not for coal though because of all the mercury it spits out.  This is very very toxic and is landing on our crops.  And the lack of other nutrients make it hard to eliminate this from our systems, causing a host of problems.  Lack of Vit D because of fear of the sun for example.  See vitamindcouncil.org for an eyeopener.

Anyway a broad knowledge and perspective is important to have here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#039;t worry converger, CO2 doesn&#039;t even cause global warming.  It was assumed to early on but this has been show not to be true.  It is 80% or more due to water vapor (the greenhouse effect that is).</p>
<p>In fact carbon particulates from coal plants probably filter the sun and reduce the heating.</p>
<p>I&#039;m not for coal though because of all the mercury it spits out.  This is very very toxic and is landing on our crops.  And the lack of other nutrients make it hard to eliminate this from our systems, causing a host of problems.  Lack of Vit D because of fear of the sun for example.  See vitamindcouncil.org for an eyeopener.</p>
<p>Anyway a broad knowledge and perspective is important to have here.</p>
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		<title>By: converger</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2008/01/30/why_now-good_v_perfect/comment-page-1/#comment-774</link>
		<dc:creator>converger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 06:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony, you are so wrong on this that it&#039;s hard to know where to begin.

CSA is not merely less than perfect. It&#039;s a flat-out fraud. It is nothing posing as something, which is the *only* thing worse than nothing at all. We can duke out the details if you&#039;d like. But in your heart of hearts, how can you take any legislation that barely reduces US carbon emissions below 1990 levels by 2050 seriously?

Forty years after the Clean Air Act was passed, zombie coal plants continue to run open stack in the United States. I might take your argument seriously if I believed that we had forty or fifty years to tweak fatally flawed climate legislation. But we don&#039;t. We have a decade at most to get serious. Fundamentally dishonest crap like CSA isn&#039;t fixable in a dynamic political environment. It just creates more work undoing the damage that it will cause, work that is far better directed towards a serious legislative effort. At best, CSA is merely a waste of time we don&#039;t have.

EDF has an arrogant habit of assuming that they&#039;ve always got the right answer, often making it harder to get to a good answer impossible by refusing to engage in a serious conversation. But this particular crisis is too dire for  politics as usual. Please, please reconsider your position on this one. It matters too much. CSA cannot be allowed to pass, and your intrepid efforts to defend this turkey destroys your credibility while wasting your time and ours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony, you are so wrong on this that it&#039;s hard to know where to begin.</p>
<p>CSA is not merely less than perfect. It&#039;s a flat-out fraud. It is nothing posing as something, which is the *only* thing worse than nothing at all. We can duke out the details if you&#039;d like. But in your heart of hearts, how can you take any legislation that barely reduces US carbon emissions below 1990 levels by 2050 seriously?</p>
<p>Forty years after the Clean Air Act was passed, zombie coal plants continue to run open stack in the United States. I might take your argument seriously if I believed that we had forty or fifty years to tweak fatally flawed climate legislation. But we don&#039;t. We have a decade at most to get serious. Fundamentally dishonest crap like CSA isn&#039;t fixable in a dynamic political environment. It just creates more work undoing the damage that it will cause, work that is far better directed towards a serious legislative effort. At best, CSA is merely a waste of time we don&#039;t have.</p>
<p>EDF has an arrogant habit of assuming that they&#039;ve always got the right answer, often making it harder to get to a good answer impossible by refusing to engage in a serious conversation. But this particular crisis is too dire for  politics as usual. Please, please reconsider your position on this one. It matters too much. CSA cannot be allowed to pass, and your intrepid efforts to defend this turkey destroys your credibility while wasting your time and ours.</p>
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		<title>By: Climate 411 &#187; Why a Bill in 2008: Same Politics in 2009 - Blogs &#38; Podcasts - Environmental Defense</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2008/01/30/why_now-good_v_perfect/comment-page-1/#comment-767</link>
		<dc:creator>Climate 411 &#187; Why a Bill in 2008: Same Politics in 2009 - Blogs &#38; Podcasts - Environmental Defense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 21:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post is by Steve Cochran, National Climate Campaign Director at Environmental Defense. Also see the next post in the series. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Democrats @ 2008 Presidential Election &#187; Why a Bill in 2008: Good versus Perfect</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2008/01/30/why_now-good_v_perfect/comment-page-1/#comment-757</link>
		<dc:creator>Democrats @ 2008 Presidential Election &#187; Why a Bill in 2008: Good versus Perfect</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Climate 411 - Blogs &amp; Podcasts - Environmental Defense added an interesting post today on Why a Bill in 2008: Good versus PerfectHere&#8217;s a small reading [...]</description>
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