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		<title>By: Climate 411 &#187; USDA: Rip Up Conservation Lands or Protect the Environment? - Blogs &#38; Podcasts - Environmental Defense Fund</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/12/18/carbon_sequestration_bio/comment-page-1/#comment-1603</link>
		<dc:creator>Climate 411 &#187; USDA: Rip Up Conservation Lands or Protect the Environment? - Blogs &#38; Podcasts - Environmental Defense Fund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and grasslands, they are tremendously valuable. They decrease erosion, improve water quality, store carbon, and provide critical habitat for declining grassland birds and waterfowl. In fact, the CRP is [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and grasslands, they are tremendously valuable. They decrease erosion, improve water quality, store carbon, and provide critical habitat for declining grassland birds and waterfowl. In fact, the CRP is [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Climate 411 &#187; Corn Ethanol: Importance of Performance Standards - Blogs &#38; Podcasts - Environmental Defense Fund</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/12/18/carbon_sequestration_bio/comment-page-1/#comment-1225</link>
		<dc:creator>Climate 411 &#187; Corn Ethanol: Importance of Performance Standards - Blogs &#38; Podcasts - Environmental Defense Fund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] currently in production into cropland. When grassland or forestland is cleared to grow crops, the carbon sequestered in the soil and trees is released into the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] currently in production into cropland. When grassland or forestland is cleared to grow crops, the carbon sequestered in the soil and trees is released into the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Climate 411 &#187; Why the Farm Bill Matters for Global Warming - Blogs &#38; Podcasts - Environmental Defense Fund</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/12/18/carbon_sequestration_bio/comment-page-1/#comment-1217</link>
		<dc:creator>Climate 411 &#187; Why the Farm Bill Matters for Global Warming - Blogs &#38; Podcasts - Environmental Defense Fund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] affects global warming because of &quot;biological sequestration&quot;. As plants grow, they remove carbon dioxide (CO2) from the air and store the carbon in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] affects global warming because of &quot;biological sequestration&quot;. As plants grow, they remove carbon dioxide (CO2) from the air and store the carbon in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Climate 411 &#187; Sequestering Carbon Deep Within the Earth - Blogs &#38; Podcasts - Environmental Defense</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/12/18/carbon_sequestration_bio/comment-page-1/#comment-858</link>
		<dc:creator>Climate 411 &#187; Sequestering Carbon Deep Within the Earth - Blogs &#38; Podcasts - Environmental Defense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 20:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Biological Carbon Sequestration 2. Geological Carbon [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Lisa Moore</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/12/18/carbon_sequestration_bio/comment-page-1/#comment-694</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill Chameides chimes in with the following:

&quot;Since the agricultural revolution human activities have significantly degraded soils globally so that the amount of carbon stored in soils has been depleted. Carbon sequestration practices just need to partially restore soils to their &quot;natural&quot; carbon content to sequester huge amounts of carbon.

Land management should always be viewed as a short-term bridge to the deployment of low carbon energy sources (which will take some time). In other words not a permanent solution.&quot;

And, with regard to CO2 and temperature: &quot;How atmospheric CO2 will respond to increases in temperature is indeed uncertain. Future climate simulations take this uncertainty into account and this is, in part, responsible for the range of temperature changes quoted in assessments like that of IPCC.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill Chameides chimes in with the following:</p>
<p>&#034;Since the agricultural revolution human activities have significantly degraded soils globally so that the amount of carbon stored in soils has been depleted. Carbon sequestration practices just need to partially restore soils to their &#034;natural&#034; carbon content to sequester huge amounts of carbon.</p>
<p>Land management should always be viewed as a short-term bridge to the deployment of low carbon energy sources (which will take some time). In other words not a permanent solution.&#034;</p>
<p>And, with regard to CO2 and temperature: &#034;How atmospheric CO2 will respond to increases in temperature is indeed uncertain. Future climate simulations take this uncertainty into account and this is, in part, responsible for the range of temperature changes quoted in assessments like that of IPCC.&#034;</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Moore</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/12/18/carbon_sequestration_bio/comment-page-1/#comment-672</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi kricnit1,

Thanks for your great questions (and apologies for the delay in answering them).

Studies show that improved land management can substantially increase the amount of carbon in soils.  This is true even in ecosystems like grasslands, because not all of the plant biomass is decomposed. A small fraction of each year&#039;s growth makes its way into soil storage pools that have turnover times of thousands of years.

The risk of losing biologically stored carbon (for example, through fire) is certainly something that has to be addressed in any legitimate offset project. This is typically done through &quot;insurance&quot; in which the offset provider holds some credits back or has a pool of unsold offsets.

You also asked whether warming could counteract biological sequestration. It&#039;s true that respiration can increase with temperature. The exact balance between land management and temperature&#039;s effects on soil carbon will vary from system to system, and this is an important area of ongoing research. However, at least one study has shown that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v413/n6856/full/413622a0.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;some soils can acclimate to warming&lt;/a&gt;, meaning that soil carbon losses may not always increase with warming.

- Martha &#38; Lisa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi kricnit1,</p>
<p>Thanks for your great questions (and apologies for the delay in answering them).</p>
<p>Studies show that improved land management can substantially increase the amount of carbon in soils.  This is true even in ecosystems like grasslands, because not all of the plant biomass is decomposed. A small fraction of each year&#039;s growth makes its way into soil storage pools that have turnover times of thousands of years.</p>
<p>The risk of losing biologically stored carbon (for example, through fire) is certainly something that has to be addressed in any legitimate offset project. This is typically done through &#034;insurance&#034; in which the offset provider holds some credits back or has a pool of unsold offsets.</p>
<p>You also asked whether warming could counteract biological sequestration. It&#039;s true that respiration can increase with temperature. The exact balance between land management and temperature&#039;s effects on soil carbon will vary from system to system, and this is an important area of ongoing research. However, at least one study has shown that <a href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v413/n6856/full/413622a0.html" rel="nofollow">some soils can acclimate to warming</a>, meaning that soil carbon losses may not always increase with warming.</p>
<p>- Martha &#38;#38; Lisa</p>
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		<title>By: kricnit1</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/12/18/carbon_sequestration_bio/comment-page-1/#comment-671</link>
		<dc:creator>kricnit1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 04:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems that CO2 sequestration in plant materials is at best a very short term solution unless that material is buried in a very deep vault.  The effect of sequestering CO2 in plant material would only reduce CO2 levels so long as the material is not burned or allowed to decompose.  The idea that we can revert a substantial amount of land that is not already supporting wooded forest and is capable of hard or softwood growth seems quite impractical.  Grasses and annual growths do absolutely nothing to reduce atmospheric CO2 concentrations due to the very short term respiration cycles of the materials, unless they are buried to the extent that they do not decompose.  Given increased global populations and associated demands for these populations for land and resourced such as lumber how can a hundred years of tree growth replace the millions of years of long term carbon storage the earth provided in the form of oil and coal fields when the world is burning 1 cubic mile of oil and coal a year?
There is also a current premise that CO2 concentrations increase following an increase in atmospheric temperatures.  On the surface this seems a credible assertion do to increased rated of decomposition of stored organic material at elevated temperatures.  Are the data points for this type of assertion &quot;cherry picked&quot; from a vast amount of data, or is this an actual long term trend of global increases of CO2 concentrations after the increase in temperature has occured?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems that CO2 sequestration in plant materials is at best a very short term solution unless that material is buried in a very deep vault.  The effect of sequestering CO2 in plant material would only reduce CO2 levels so long as the material is not burned or allowed to decompose.  The idea that we can revert a substantial amount of land that is not already supporting wooded forest and is capable of hard or softwood growth seems quite impractical.  Grasses and annual growths do absolutely nothing to reduce atmospheric CO2 concentrations due to the very short term respiration cycles of the materials, unless they are buried to the extent that they do not decompose.  Given increased global populations and associated demands for these populations for land and resourced such as lumber how can a hundred years of tree growth replace the millions of years of long term carbon storage the earth provided in the form of oil and coal fields when the world is burning 1 cubic mile of oil and coal a year?<br />
There is also a current premise that CO2 concentrations increase following an increase in atmospheric temperatures.  On the surface this seems a credible assertion do to increased rated of decomposition of stored organic material at elevated temperatures.  Are the data points for this type of assertion &#034;cherry picked&#034; from a vast amount of data, or is this an actual long term trend of global increases of CO2 concentrations after the increase in temperature has occured?</p>
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		<title>By: IMWright</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/12/18/carbon_sequestration_bio/comment-page-1/#comment-670</link>
		<dc:creator>IMWright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your first premise is innacurate. Global warming occurs thanks to the Solar cycles (see MAUNDERS MINIMUMS)
Second, terrestrial plants don&#039;t &quot;sequester&quot; nearly the amount photosynthetic planktons do.
Thirdly, our oceans buffer CO2 level by CO2&#039;s high solubility levels in water. All that CO2  is then converted to CALCIUM CARBONATES  called CORALS.  And by golly   those same corals  have been converted in the past to our modern day limestone and MARBLE maybe you have heard of these.
AL Gore&#039;s inconvenient truth is actually CO2 levels INCREASE after warming has occurred. Warmer water releases its dissolved CO2 to the atmosphere.
Last, VEGANS produce 4 X the METHANE real humans do- now don&#039;t forget how healthy one of the most famous vegans was- Linda McCartney??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your first premise is innacurate. Global warming occurs thanks to the Solar cycles (see MAUNDERS MINIMUMS)<br />
Second, terrestrial plants don&#039;t &#034;sequester&#034; nearly the amount photosynthetic planktons do.<br />
Thirdly, our oceans buffer CO2 level by CO2&#039;s high solubility levels in water. All that CO2  is then converted to CALCIUM CARBONATES  called CORALS.  And by golly   those same corals  have been converted in the past to our modern day limestone and MARBLE maybe you have heard of these.<br />
AL Gore&#039;s inconvenient truth is actually CO2 levels INCREASE after warming has occurred. Warmer water releases its dissolved CO2 to the atmosphere.<br />
Last, VEGANS produce 4 X the METHANE real humans do- now don&#039;t forget how healthy one of the most famous vegans was- Linda McCartney??</p>
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		<title>By: kenzrw</title>
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		<dc:creator>kenzrw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 03:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm...sounds like it really doesn&#039;t matter that much which type of tree is planted in the long run. Evergreen pines also lose pine needles all the time, so I suppose those dried pine needles release some Co2 as well. I hadn&#039;t thought about the roots sequestering carbon in the ground either.

Of course, all trees eventually die (100-1000 years?), so most of the CO2 they sequester will eventually be released back to the atmosphere except for that stored in the ground by the roots. But I guess we should just keep replanting. I visit the cypress swamps in eastern Arkansas frequently and can just &#039;see&#039; the carbon being reclaimed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;sounds like it really doesn&#039;t matter that much which type of tree is planted in the long run. Evergreen pines also lose pine needles all the time, so I suppose those dried pine needles release some Co2 as well. I hadn&#039;t thought about the roots sequestering carbon in the ground either.</p>
<p>Of course, all trees eventually die (100-1000 years?), so most of the CO2 they sequester will eventually be released back to the atmosphere except for that stored in the ground by the roots. But I guess we should just keep replanting. I visit the cypress swamps in eastern Arkansas frequently and can just &#039;see&#039; the carbon being reclaimed.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Moore</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/12/18/carbon_sequestration_bio/comment-page-1/#comment-668</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I&#039;ve heard back from several people about evergreen vs. deciduous species.

Ultimately, the choice of tree species will be affected by many factors, including local climate, soils, and co-benefits landowners want to get from an offset project, but here&#039;s a summary of the general differences between using evergreen and deciduous trees for forestry offsets.

Many evergreen trees store more carbon, and do so more quickly, than deciduous species. (There are exceptions; check out Figure 6.2 in the book excerpts Martha mentioned.)

However, even if they store less carbon or do so less quickly, deciduous species have a lot of co-benefits. For example, deciduous forests generally have a rich &quot;understory&quot; community below the main forest canopy, and allow multiple uses, such as grazing animals in the spring. Deciduous trees tend to use less water, too.

Hope that helps. Happy holidays!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I&#039;ve heard back from several people about evergreen vs. deciduous species.</p>
<p>Ultimately, the choice of tree species will be affected by many factors, including local climate, soils, and co-benefits landowners want to get from an offset project, but here&#039;s a summary of the general differences between using evergreen and deciduous trees for forestry offsets.</p>
<p>Many evergreen trees store more carbon, and do so more quickly, than deciduous species. (There are exceptions; check out Figure 6.2 in the book excerpts Martha mentioned.)</p>
<p>However, even if they store less carbon or do so less quickly, deciduous species have a lot of co-benefits. For example, deciduous forests generally have a rich &#034;understory&#034; community below the main forest canopy, and allow multiple uses, such as grazing animals in the spring. Deciduous trees tend to use less water, too.</p>
<p>Hope that helps. Happy holidays!</p>
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