Comments on: Bali Bulletin: Dramatic Final Hours http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/12/15/bali-bulletin-4/ Blogging the science and policy of global warming Sat, 20 Mar 2010 06:04:56 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Bill Mc http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/12/15/bali-bulletin-4/comment-page-1/#comment-660 Bill Mc Wed, 26 Dec 2007 01:20:30 +0000 http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/12/15/bali-bulletin-4/#comment-660 Just out of curiosity, did anyone mention a way of negating the mass of the rest of the orbiting bits of the solar system so we can cease these pesky ice-age/abrupt glacial termination 100k year long thingies (at least for the past 16 replays)? Hopefully no one mentioned the thing WHICH HAS NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH ANY KNOWN PROBLEM ON EARTH, overpopulation and exponential growth in resource consumption, did they? Just out of curiosity, did anyone mention a way of negating the mass of the rest of the orbiting bits of the solar system so we can cease these pesky ice-age/abrupt glacial termination 100k year long thingies (at least for the past 16 replays)? Hopefully no one mentioned the thing WHICH HAS NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH ANY KNOWN PROBLEM ON EARTH, overpopulation and exponential growth in resource consumption, did they?

]]> By: Bad Science http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/12/15/bali-bulletin-4/comment-page-1/#comment-659 Bad Science Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:26:44 +0000 http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/12/15/bali-bulletin-4/#comment-659 My comment about the Bali Climate Negotiations. I have studied much about the effect of excessive microwave use in our atmosphere and have found by watching said effect that satellites in the magnetic belt above our atmosphere are a real boon to microwave transmission, but that is the number one cause of global warming. I know it is a billion + industry but just like in small isolated microwaves in the kitchen it heats up earths atmosphere and causes wave pattern changes that heat up the atmosphere etcetera and vastly contributes to our atmosphere sweating and drying and changing weather patterns, throwing off migrating animals and much more all for the convenience of satellite transmission. Yes satellite transmission is a lovely unequaled source of energy. But this is the main source of aerosol pollution because the sweating and distribution of partials in our atmosphere. Must I say more. Big companies would like to blame the environmental condition just simply on oil consumption and the like but microwave intensifies the effect a billion fold just like their profits. So if global warming is going to stop, microwave technology will have to stop first, by simply accepting that vast convenience of microwave technology is simply wrong for our environment from transmission from satellites in the Borland Magnetic belt above our atmosphere. You can't really expect that such an impact wouldn't be caused by such a productive unequaled source of energy now could you. So all the folks that want to can get together and sweat tears over their economic interests, but too bad because all of the rest of us has to be able to keep living for them to profit. Barbara Alvis My comment about the Bali Climate Negotiations.

I have studied much about the effect of excessive microwave use in our atmosphere and have found by watching said effect that satellites in the magnetic belt above our atmosphere are a real boon to microwave transmission, but that is the number one cause of global warming. I know it is a billion + industry but just like in small isolated microwaves in the kitchen it heats up earths atmosphere and causes wave pattern changes that heat up the atmosphere etcetera and vastly contributes to our atmosphere sweating and drying and changing weather patterns, throwing off migrating animals and much more all for the convenience of satellite transmission. Yes satellite transmission is a lovely unequaled source of energy. But this is the main source of aerosol pollution because the sweating and distribution of partials in our atmosphere. Must I say more. Big companies would like to blame the environmental condition just simply on oil consumption and the like but microwave intensifies the effect a billion fold just like their profits. So if global warming is going to stop, microwave technology will have to stop first, by simply accepting that vast convenience of microwave technology is simply wrong for our environment from transmission from satellites in the Borland Magnetic belt above our atmosphere. You can't really expect that such an impact wouldn't be caused by such a productive unequaled source of energy now could you.

So all the folks that want to can get together and sweat tears over their economic interests, but too bad because all of the rest of us has to be able to keep living for them to profit.

Barbara Alvis

]]> By: Climate 411 » Bali Roadmap Addresses Deforestation - Environmental Defense http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/12/15/bali-bulletin-4/comment-page-1/#comment-658 Climate 411 » Bali Roadmap Addresses Deforestation - Environmental Defense Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:55:50 +0000 http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/12/15/bali-bulletin-4/#comment-658 [...] This post is by Peter Goldmark, Program Director, Climate and Air, Environmental Defense. Also see his previous dispatch from Bali and background on the meetings. [...] [...] This post is by Peter Goldmark, Program Director, Climate and Air, Environmental Defense. Also see his previous dispatch from Bali and background on the meetings. [...]

]]> By: jenergistx http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/12/15/bali-bulletin-4/comment-page-1/#comment-657 jenergistx Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:23:39 +0000 http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/12/15/bali-bulletin-4/#comment-657 I first experienced the shame of America's climate change stance about a decade ago when meeting in London with the WRI/WBCSD GHG Protocol development group. Back home we had just elected the current administration and they had just reneged on their promise to deal with CO2 emissions. I wish I could have been at Bali for the historic moment when the world stopped bowing to our dollars and our military power and said: move aside! For me it is simple: we have more money than others and we cry about whether we can afford climate action; we have put more up into the air - and it is still there for decades to come - and yet we say the newcomers to energy affluence must start now too; we pollute at about 10X the per person rate of many others; we owe it to all future peoples. Take that U.S. congress! Take that rabid obstructionists in the administration! Take that to heart Jeffrey (me); we can learn to follow and still be proud. And if we earn leadership again someday, let it be for our vision, for our heart for humanity, not for our warships and money! Jeffrey Frost from the trenches. I first experienced the shame of America's climate change stance about a decade ago when meeting in London with the WRI/WBCSD GHG Protocol development group. Back home we had just elected the current administration and they had just reneged on their promise to deal with CO2 emissions. I wish I could have been at Bali for the historic moment when the world stopped bowing to our dollars and our military power and said: move aside! For me it is simple: we have more money than others and we cry about whether we can afford climate action; we have put more up into the air – and it is still there for decades to come – and yet we say the newcomers to energy affluence must start now too; we pollute at about 10X the per person rate of many others; we owe it to all future peoples. Take that U.S. congress! Take that rabid obstructionists in the administration! Take that to heart Jeffrey (me); we can learn to follow and still be proud. And if we earn leadership again someday, let it be for our vision, for our heart for humanity, not for our warships and money! Jeffrey Frost from the trenches.

]]> By: cepdppk http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/12/15/bali-bulletin-4/comment-page-1/#comment-656 cepdppk Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:23:26 +0000 http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/12/15/bali-bulletin-4/#comment-656 While I sincerely hope mauiskye is correct I am somewhat skeptical. Seven years have passed with no action on climate change, except to deny it and work hard to deceive the rest of the nation and world concerning it, and one more year will surely pass with no action. We are running out of time. While individual actions are great we need to have large scale action from the worlds governments to truly address climate change. We are playing catch up and for the sake of our children and grandchildren we need to get serious about it. While I sincerely hope mauiskye is correct I am somewhat skeptical. Seven years have passed with no action on climate change, except to deny it and work hard to deceive the rest of the nation and world concerning it, and one more year will surely pass with no action. We are running out of time. While individual actions are great we need to have large scale action from the worlds governments to truly address climate change. We are playing catch up and for the sake of our children and grandchildren we need to get serious about it.

]]> By: mauiskye http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/12/15/bali-bulletin-4/comment-page-1/#comment-655 mauiskye Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:06:29 +0000 http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/12/15/bali-bulletin-4/#comment-655 Aloha to All. . . I have only been involved on the peripheral view of this issue, but must say that I am so deeply affected that I am crying with joy. We can and will as an 'intention to heal this beautiful planet', succeed. Mahalo Nui Loa to all who gave their hearts, souls and faith to bringing this to resolution. In Light )'( Skye Aloha to All. . . I have only been involved on the peripheral view of this issue, but must say that I am so deeply affected that I am crying with joy. We can and will as an 'intention to heal this beautiful planet', succeed. Mahalo Nui Loa to all who gave their hearts, souls and faith to bringing this to resolution. In Light )'( Skye

]]> By: Sheryl Canter http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/12/15/bali-bulletin-4/comment-page-1/#comment-654 Sheryl Canter Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:28:01 +0000 http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/12/15/bali-bulletin-4/#comment-654 The U.N. has posted <a href="http://www.un.org/webcast/unfccc/2007/index.asp?go=071215" rel="nofollow">Webcasts</a> of much of the conference. For the final public session, click "<a href="rtsp://webcast.un.org/ondemand/conferences/unfccc/2007/cop/unfccc071215am3-cop13-orig.rm" rel="nofollow">Part 3, Original</a>". The U.N. has posted Webcasts of much of the conference. For the final public session, click "Part 3, Original".

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