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	<title>Comments on: Breaking News: California Judge Rebukes Automakers</title>
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		<title>By: carbon dioxide definition &#124; Dot info news</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/12/12/ca_pavley_win/comment-page-1/#comment-722</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Breaking News: California Judge Rebukes Automakers [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Climate 411 &#187; EPA Delivers Lump of Coal to America for Holidays - Blogs &#38; Podcasts - Environmental Defense</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/12/12/ca_pavley_win/comment-page-1/#comment-712</link>
		<dc:creator>Climate 411 &#187; EPA Delivers Lump of Coal to America for Holidays - Blogs &#38; Podcasts - Environmental Defense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 01:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to regulate global warming pollution. When automakers sued, two federal courts - in Vermont and in California - affirmed states&#8217; rights to proceed with the Clean Cars program. Federal district court [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to regulate global warming pollution. When automakers sued, two federal courts &#8211; in Vermont and in California &#8211; affirmed states&#039; rights to proceed with the Clean Cars program. Federal district court [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sheryl Canter</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/12/12/ca_pavley_win/comment-page-1/#comment-646</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheryl Canter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 20:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rkcannon - even the Bush Administration acknowledges that global warming is happening and that it&#039;s caused by human activities. You are one of a handful of extremists who continue to irrationally claim otherwise. Nothing anyone can say to you will budge your opinion.

bunnybeer - there were some good editorials in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/21/opinion/21fri1.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;New York Times&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-epa21dec21,0,2297171.story&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Washington Post&lt;/a&gt; on this today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rkcannon &#8211; even the Bush Administration acknowledges that global warming is happening and that it&#039;s caused by human activities. You are one of a handful of extremists who continue to irrationally claim otherwise. Nothing anyone can say to you will budge your opinion.</p>
<p>bunnybeer &#8211; there were some good editorials in the <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/21/opinion/21fri1.html" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">New York Times</a> and <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-epa21dec21,0,2297171.story" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">Washington Post</a> on this today.</p>
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		<title>By: rkcannon</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/12/12/ca_pavley_win/comment-page-1/#comment-645</link>
		<dc:creator>rkcannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Canter,

We are constantly &quot;bombed&quot; by &quot;Global Warming&quot; scare tactics on NPR, and Al Gore is tromping around screaming how the US is so bad and he knows more.  Yet you global warming groupies don&#039;t look very deep into the science it seems.  Dr. Chameides&#039; arguments are not convincing to me, with a fairly good scientific background and MS in Engineering.  The many scientists that do not agree that Man is the cause of the minimal if any average warming are much  more convincing because they use sound scientific arguments.  There is NOT a consensus and the science is NOT settled as the UN cries.  The UN is clearly VERY BIASED.  We can&#039;t let such bias get in the way of sound science.  It appears that there is far more evidence that man CANNOT cause climate change to any significant degree doing what we are now doing.
And there are far more important areas to focus our energies.
Here is a collection of REAL scientists.
http://www.climatescience.org.nz/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Canter,</p>
<p>We are constantly &#034;bombed&#034; by &#034;Global Warming&#034; scare tactics on NPR, and Al Gore is tromping around screaming how the US is so bad and he knows more.  Yet you global warming groupies don&#039;t look very deep into the science it seems.  Dr. Chameides&#039; arguments are not convincing to me, with a fairly good scientific background and MS in Engineering.  The many scientists that do not agree that Man is the cause of the minimal if any average warming are much  more convincing because they use sound scientific arguments.  There is NOT a consensus and the science is NOT settled as the UN cries.  The UN is clearly VERY BIASED.  We can&#039;t let such bias get in the way of sound science.  It appears that there is far more evidence that man CANNOT cause climate change to any significant degree doing what we are now doing.<br />
And there are far more important areas to focus our energies.<br />
Here is a collection of REAL scientists.<br />
<a href="http://www.climatescience.org.nz/" rel="nofollow">http://www.climatescience.org.nz/</a></p>
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		<title>By: bunnybeer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/12/12/ca_pavley_win/comment-page-1/#comment-644</link>
		<dc:creator>bunnybeer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 03:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real issue is the denial of a state&#039;s right to enact a law that is more stringent than federal law. Almost every state has set environmental laws that are more stringent than EPA. The EPA&#039;s role should be to set minimum standards that all states must adhere to, not maximum standards. States have abundant laws, ordinances, etc. that are more strict than federal law. Examples are zoning, traffic control, highway construction (where the state DOT uses the federal DOT regulations as the minimum), etc.

Take the City of Houston, Texas for example. It is has passed ordinances against Petrochemical companies for emissions of butadiene. The city has set up monitoring and is poised to fine these companies. It is an example of a local government acting within their right.
Link: http://www.houstontx.gov/health/UT.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real issue is the denial of a state&#039;s right to enact a law that is more stringent than federal law. Almost every state has set environmental laws that are more stringent than EPA. The EPA&#039;s role should be to set minimum standards that all states must adhere to, not maximum standards. States have abundant laws, ordinances, etc. that are more strict than federal law. Examples are zoning, traffic control, highway construction (where the state DOT uses the federal DOT regulations as the minimum), etc.</p>
<p>Take the City of Houston, Texas for example. It is has passed ordinances against Petrochemical companies for emissions of butadiene. The city has set up monitoring and is poised to fine these companies. It is an example of a local government acting within their right.<br />
Link: <a href="http://www.houstontx.gov/health/UT.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.houstontx.gov/health/UT.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sheryl Canter</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/12/12/ca_pavley_win/comment-page-1/#comment-643</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheryl Canter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rkcannon - You chose your username well since you indeed &quot;bombed&quot; this blog over the weekend with at least half a dozen messages insisting that there&#039;s no human-caused climate change.

I don&#039;t want to waste a lot of time responding to silly messages, but I&#039;ll post some refuting links. I don&#039;t expect you to read them, but others might.

From my previous answer to you:

Bill Chameides - member of the National Academy of Science and science advisor to Environmental Defense - wrote a series on &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/06/14/human_cause-1/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;How We Know Humans Cause Global Warming&lt;/a&gt;&quot;. If that series doesn&#039;t answer every question you have, click on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/category/science/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Science&lt;/a&gt; category or do a search on &quot;Chameides&quot;. We&#039;ve addressed Mars, the Sun, etc., etc. I won&#039;t repeat it all here. Humans are causing global warming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rkcannon &#8211; You chose your username well since you indeed &#034;bombed&#034; this blog over the weekend with at least half a dozen messages insisting that there&#039;s no human-caused climate change.</p>
<p>I don&#039;t want to waste a lot of time responding to silly messages, but I&#039;ll post some refuting links. I don&#039;t expect you to read them, but others might.</p>
<p>From my previous answer to you:</p>
<p>Bill Chameides &#8211; member of the National Academy of Science and science advisor to Environmental Defense &#8211; wrote a series on &#034;<a href="http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/06/14/human_cause-1/" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">How We Know Humans Cause Global Warming</a>&#034;. If that series doesn&#039;t answer every question you have, click on the <a href="http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/category/science/" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">Science</a> category or do a search on &#034;Chameides&#034;. We&#039;ve addressed Mars, the Sun, etc., etc. I won&#039;t repeat it all here. Humans are causing global warming.</p>
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		<title>By: rkcannon</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/12/12/ca_pavley_win/comment-page-1/#comment-642</link>
		<dc:creator>rkcannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops- correction to above- plants USE CO2 and produce O2, not CO2, so something else causes the CO2 rise.  Sorry. I admit I was wrong. Wish more would do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops- correction to above- plants USE CO2 and produce O2, not CO2, so something else causes the CO2 rise.  Sorry. I admit I was wrong. Wish more would do that.</p>
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		<title>By: rkcannon</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/12/12/ca_pavley_win/comment-page-1/#comment-641</link>
		<dc:creator>rkcannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Given the level of impairment of human health and welfare that current climate science indicates may occur if human-generated greenhouse gas emissions continue unabated,...

MAY?  Or MAY NOT equally applies..

This is a victory?  A judge who doesn&#039;t know what he is talking about?  His statement is easily refuted.
CO2 rise FOLLOWS global warming per ice samples.  This is easily understood because when it is warmer, plants and trees thrive, producing more CO2.  Something else causes the temp rise.  It has been shown to correlate with solar cycles.  THE SUN is causing it- that is simple to understand because that&#039;s what provides our heat and any cycle in the heat source we will see directly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeDPXtSwtFA&#38;feature=related</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034;Given the level of impairment of human health and welfare that current climate science indicates may occur if human-generated greenhouse gas emissions continue unabated,&#8230;</p>
<p>MAY?  Or MAY NOT equally applies..</p>
<p>This is a victory?  A judge who doesn&#039;t know what he is talking about?  His statement is easily refuted.<br />
CO2 rise FOLLOWS global warming per ice samples.  This is easily understood because when it is warmer, plants and trees thrive, producing more CO2.  Something else causes the temp rise.  It has been shown to correlate with solar cycles.  THE SUN is causing it- that is simple to understand because that&#039;s what provides our heat and any cycle in the heat source we will see directly.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeDPXtSwtFA&#38;#38;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeDPXtSwtFA&#38;#38;feature=related</a></p>
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