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		<title>By: Climate 411 &#187; What Will it Cost to Protect Ourselves from Global Warming? - Blogs &#38; Podcasts - Environmental Defense Fund</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/10/17/cost_of_inaction/comment-page-1/#comment-1188</link>
		<dc:creator>Climate 411 &#187; What Will it Cost to Protect Ourselves from Global Warming? - Blogs &#38; Podcasts - Environmental Defense Fund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that these models look only at the costs of reducing emissions. They don&#8217;t consider the costs of inaction - that is, the damages that will result from unchecked global [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that these models look only at the costs of reducing emissions. They don&#039;t consider the costs of inaction &#8211; that is, the damages that will result from unchecked global [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Climate 411 &#187; Study Finds Plenty of Low-Cost Ways to Cut Emissions - Blogs &#38; Podcasts - Environmental Defense Fund</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/10/17/cost_of_inaction/comment-page-1/#comment-1162</link>
		<dc:creator>Climate 411 &#187; Study Finds Plenty of Low-Cost Ways to Cut Emissions - Blogs &#38; Podcasts - Environmental Defense Fund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] When politicians hesitate to act on global warming, one of the concerns we hear is that cutting the pollution that causes global warming could cost too much. More and more evidence is piling up to show that&#8217;s just not true. For one, we have to take into account the cost of not doing anything. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] When politicians hesitate to act on global warming, one of the concerns we hear is that cutting the pollution that causes global warming could cost too much. More and more evidence is piling up to show that&#039;s just not true. For one, we have to take into account the cost of not doing anything. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Climate 411 &#187; We Can Stop Global Warming without Hurting the Poor - Blogs &#38; Podcasts - Environmental Defense Fund</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/10/17/cost_of_inaction/comment-page-1/#comment-1143</link>
		<dc:creator>Climate 411 &#187; We Can Stop Global Warming without Hurting the Poor - Blogs &#38; Podcasts - Environmental Defense Fund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] doesn&#8217;t consider - namely, the enormous impact climate change could have on the poor if we fail to act.   var object = SHARETHIS.addEntry({ title:&#039;share&#039;, summary:&#039;Share&#039;}, {button:false}); [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] doesn&#039;t consider &#8211; namely, the enormous impact climate change could have on the poor if we fail to act.   var object = SHARETHIS.addEntry({ title:&#039;share&#039;, summary:&#039;Share&#039;}, {button:false}); [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Climate 411 &#187; How Much Will It Cost to Save the World? - Blogs &#38; Podcasts - Environmental Defense Fund</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/10/17/cost_of_inaction/comment-page-1/#comment-930</link>
		<dc:creator>Climate 411 &#187; How Much Will It Cost to Save the World? - Blogs &#38; Podcasts - Environmental Defense Fund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Or, put another way, if we don’t make this investment, what will we end up paying? We reviewed studies that looked at the price of climate disruptions in an earlier post, “Most Expensive Solution: Do Nothing.” [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Or, put another way, if we don’t make this investment, what will we end up paying? We reviewed studies that looked at the price of climate disruptions in an earlier post, “Most Expensive Solution: Do Nothing.” [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Climate 411 &#38;#187; Florida and Climate Change: The Costs of Not Acting - Environmental Defense</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/10/17/cost_of_inaction/comment-page-1/#comment-579</link>
		<dc:creator>Climate 411 &#38;#187; Florida and Climate Change: The Costs of Not Acting - Environmental Defense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This report complements a study released last month by the University of Maryland. The Maryland study was national, and this Tufts study “drills down” and provides a lot more detail on potential effects specific to Florida. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This report complements a study released last month by the University of Maryland. The Maryland study was national, and this Tufts study “drills down” and provides a lot more detail on potential effects specific to Florida. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Climate 411 &#38;#187; U.S. Chamber of Commerce Ad Misleads America on Costs of Global Warming Action - Environmental Defense</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/10/17/cost_of_inaction/comment-page-1/#comment-578</link>
		<dc:creator>Climate 411 &#38;#187; U.S. Chamber of Commerce Ad Misleads America on Costs of Global Warming Action - Environmental Defense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 00:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The problem is, their claim that a firm climate bill will cripple our economy is simply wrong. See our previous post on Green Technologies for a more realistic assessment of the costs. There is also a cost to inaction. A recent study by the University of Maryland found that the most expensive option is to do nothing. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The problem is, their claim that a firm climate bill will cripple our economy is simply wrong. See our previous post on Green Technologies for a more realistic assessment of the costs. There is also a cost to inaction. A recent study by the University of Maryland found that the most expensive option is to do nothing. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: plushtown</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/10/17/cost_of_inaction/comment-page-1/#comment-577</link>
		<dc:creator>plushtown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am looking at archives, haven&#039;t yet found speculation about earthquakes allowed by lightening glaciers pushing ice into ocean. Everyone stresses melting, not sliding, and have corresponding long time frames. Will continue looking. Sorry about my redundancies above. Will not happen again.

In meantime, here is UK/Independent article from yesterday:

http://environment.independent.co.uk/climate_change/article3087271.ece


&#039;Carbon sinks&#039; lose ability to soak up emissions
By Steve Connor, Science Editor
Published: 23 October 2007

begins:
&quot;A dramatic decline in the ability of the Earth to soak up man-made emissions of carbon dioxide, and a corresponding acceleration in the rate of increase of greenhouse gas in the atmosphere, have been detected for the first time by scientists.
The discovery that more carbon dioxide from human activities is lingering in the air rather being absorbed by the world&#039;s forests and oceans has alarmed scientists who believe that it signals a potentially dangerous turn of events for the global climate.
They fear that a much-anticipated &quot;feedback&quot; in the global climate – when increases in carbon dioxide in the air trigger further increases in atmospheric concentrations of the gas – has already begun to occur decades before many predicted.
&quot;We always said that these feedbacks would happen in the future, but what this study shows is that these feedbacks are happening right now,&quot; said Josep Canadell, executive director of the Global Climate Project in Canberra, and the lead author of the study.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am looking at archives, haven&#039;t yet found speculation about earthquakes allowed by lightening glaciers pushing ice into ocean. Everyone stresses melting, not sliding, and have corresponding long time frames. Will continue looking. Sorry about my redundancies above. Will not happen again.</p>
<p>In meantime, here is UK/Independent article from yesterday:</p>
<p><a href="http://environment.independent.co.uk/climate_change/article3087271.ece" rel="nofollow">http://environment.independent.co.uk/climate_change/article3087271.ece</a></p>
<p>&#039;Carbon sinks&#039; lose ability to soak up emissions<br />
By Steve Connor, Science Editor<br />
Published: 23 October 2007</p>
<p>begins:<br />
&#034;A dramatic decline in the ability of the Earth to soak up man-made emissions of carbon dioxide, and a corresponding acceleration in the rate of increase of greenhouse gas in the atmosphere, have been detected for the first time by scientists.<br />
The discovery that more carbon dioxide from human activities is lingering in the air rather being absorbed by the world&#039;s forests and oceans has alarmed scientists who believe that it signals a potentially dangerous turn of events for the global climate.<br />
They fear that a much-anticipated &#034;feedback&#034; in the global climate – when increases in carbon dioxide in the air trigger further increases in atmospheric concentrations of the gas – has already begun to occur decades before many predicted.<br />
&#034;We always said that these feedbacks would happen in the future, but what this study shows is that these feedbacks are happening right now,&#034; said Josep Canadell, executive director of the Global Climate Project in Canberra, and the lead author of the study.&#034;</p>
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		<title>By: Sheryl Canter</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/10/17/cost_of_inaction/comment-page-1/#comment-576</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheryl Canter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve talked about many of the dangers in many different posts. Take a look at the archives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#039;ve talked about many of the dangers in many different posts. Take a look at the archives.</p>
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		<title>By: plushtown</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/10/17/cost_of_inaction/comment-page-1/#comment-575</link>
		<dc:creator>plushtown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, but it doesn&#039;t say anything about eventual earthquakes.

Here&#039;s UK Guardian piece saying Greenland earthquakes increasing:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2007/sep/08/climatechange

Notice no pursuit of implications.

Here&#039;s UK/Independent reporting melt holes, moulins, big enough for helicopter navigation:

http://environment.independent.co.uk/climate_change/article3021310.ece

From same paper, report of rain at North Pole:

http://environment.independent.co.uk/climate_change/article3021309.ece


Here&#039;s NY Times on usefulness of emissions curtailment:

&quot;In a conference call with reporters, the scientists also said the momentum to a warmer world with less Arctic sea ice — and fewer bears — would be largely unavoidable at least for decades, no matter what happened with emissions of heat-trapping gases like carbon dioxide.

“Despite any mitigation of greenhouse gases, we’re going to see the same amount of energy in the system for 20, 30 or 40 years,” said Mark Myers, the survey director. “We would not expect to see any significant change in polar conditions regardless of mitigation.”

In other words, even in the unlikely event that all the major economies were to agree to rapid and drastic reductions in emissions of carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping gases, the floating Arctic ice cap will continue to shrink at a rapid pace for the next 50 years, wiping out much of the bears’ habitat.&quot;

from: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/08/science/earth/08polar.html

Note no discussion of human habitat currently depending on land ice not sliding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but it doesn&#039;t say anything about eventual earthquakes.</p>
<p>Here&#039;s UK Guardian piece saying Greenland earthquakes increasing:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2007/sep/08/climatechange" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2007/sep/08/climatechange</a></p>
<p>Notice no pursuit of implications.</p>
<p>Here&#039;s UK/Independent reporting melt holes, moulins, big enough for helicopter navigation:</p>
<p><a href="http://environment.independent.co.uk/climate_change/article3021310.ece" rel="nofollow">http://environment.independent.co.uk/climate_change/article3021310.ece</a></p>
<p>From same paper, report of rain at North Pole:</p>
<p><a href="http://environment.independent.co.uk/climate_change/article3021309.ece" rel="nofollow">http://environment.independent.co.uk/climate_change/article3021309.ece</a></p>
<p>Here&#039;s NY Times on usefulness of emissions curtailment:</p>
<p>&#034;In a conference call with reporters, the scientists also said the momentum to a warmer world with less Arctic sea ice — and fewer bears — would be largely unavoidable at least for decades, no matter what happened with emissions of heat-trapping gases like carbon dioxide.</p>
<p>“Despite any mitigation of greenhouse gases, we’re going to see the same amount of energy in the system for 20, 30 or 40 years,” said Mark Myers, the survey director. “We would not expect to see any significant change in polar conditions regardless of mitigation.”</p>
<p>In other words, even in the unlikely event that all the major economies were to agree to rapid and drastic reductions in emissions of carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping gases, the floating Arctic ice cap will continue to shrink at a rapid pace for the next 50 years, wiping out much of the bears’ habitat.&#034;</p>
<p>from: <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/08/science/earth/08polar.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/08/science/earth/08polar.html</a></p>
<p>Note no discussion of human habitat currently depending on land ice not sliding.</p>
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		<title>By: plushtown</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/10/17/cost_of_inaction/comment-page-1/#comment-574</link>
		<dc:creator>plushtown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a quote from NY Times 9/8/07,  Warming Is Seen as Wiping Out Most Polar Bears:

&quot;In a conference call with reporters, the scientists also said the momentum to a warmer world with less Arctic sea ice — and fewer bears — would be largely unavoidable at least for decades, no matter what happened with emissions of heat-trapping gases like carbon dioxide.

“Despite any mitigation of greenhouse gases, we’re going to see the same amount of energy in the system for 20, 30 or 40 years,” said Mark Myers, the survey director. “We would not expect to see any significant change in polar conditions regardless of mitigation.” &quot;

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/08/science/earth/08polar.html?fta=y

As sea ice goes, so does land ice. Except land ice gets earthquakes under it, will consequently slide. All projections about melting that I&#039;ve seen, including &quot;Why We Need To&quot; above, ignore this, and have for the past 3 decades.

Former permafrost  increasingly releases methane, nothing humans can do about that at this point. Warming earth in England now releases more greenhouse gases than English industry.

Here&#039;s a UK/Independent piece, mentions rain at the North Pole:

http://environment.independent.co.uk/climate_change/article3021309.ece

Same paper  reports melt holes big enough to fly a helicopter into:

http://environment.independent.co.uk/climate_change/article3021310.ece

Here&#039;s UK Guardian saying Greenland earthquakes are increasing, no pursuit of implications:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2007/sep/08/climatechange</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#039;s a quote from NY Times 9/8/07,  Warming Is Seen as Wiping Out Most Polar Bears:</p>
<p>&#034;In a conference call with reporters, the scientists also said the momentum to a warmer world with less Arctic sea ice — and fewer bears — would be largely unavoidable at least for decades, no matter what happened with emissions of heat-trapping gases like carbon dioxide.</p>
<p>“Despite any mitigation of greenhouse gases, we’re going to see the same amount of energy in the system for 20, 30 or 40 years,” said Mark Myers, the survey director. “We would not expect to see any significant change in polar conditions regardless of mitigation.” &#034;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/08/science/earth/08polar.html?fta=y" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/08/science/earth/08polar.html?fta=y</a></p>
<p>As sea ice goes, so does land ice. Except land ice gets earthquakes under it, will consequently slide. All projections about melting that I&#039;ve seen, including &#034;Why We Need To&#034; above, ignore this, and have for the past 3 decades.</p>
<p>Former permafrost  increasingly releases methane, nothing humans can do about that at this point. Warming earth in England now releases more greenhouse gases than English industry.</p>
<p>Here&#039;s a UK/Independent piece, mentions rain at the North Pole:</p>
<p><a href="http://environment.independent.co.uk/climate_change/article3021309.ece" rel="nofollow">http://environment.independent.co.uk/climate_change/article3021309.ece</a></p>
<p>Same paper  reports melt holes big enough to fly a helicopter into:</p>
<p><a href="http://environment.independent.co.uk/climate_change/article3021310.ece" rel="nofollow">http://environment.independent.co.uk/climate_change/article3021310.ece</a></p>
<p>Here&#039;s UK Guardian saying Greenland earthquakes are increasing, no pursuit of implications:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2007/sep/08/climatechange" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2007/sep/08/climatechange</a></p>
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