Comments on: Arctic Ice Shrinking Unexpectedly Fast http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/10/04/arctic_ice_shrinking/ Blogging the science and policy of global warming Mon, 16 Nov 2009 07:13:20 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5.2 hourly 1 By: Climate 411 » Arctic Sea Ice a Thin "Façade" - Blogs & Podcasts - Environmental Defense Fund http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/10/04/arctic_ice_shrinking/comment-page-1/#comment-967 Climate 411 » Arctic Sea Ice a Thin "Façade" - Blogs & Podcasts - Environmental Defense Fund Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:04:32 +0000 http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/10/04/arctic_ice_shrinking/#comment-967 [...] summer we saw record-shattering shrinkage of Arctic sea ice caused, in part, by human-induced global warming. Last week I listened in on a NASA briefing on [...] [...] summer we saw record-shattering shrinkage of Arctic sea ice caused, in part, by human-induced global warming. Last week I listened in on a NASA briefing on [...]

]]> By: Climate 411 » Global Warming Science 2007: Ten Top Stories - Environmental Defense http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/10/04/arctic_ice_shrinking/comment-page-1/#comment-545 Climate 411 » Global Warming Science 2007: Ten Top Stories - Environmental Defense Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:22:36 +0000 http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/10/04/arctic_ice_shrinking/#comment-545 [...] Arctic sea ice is melting faster than predicted. This year it hit a 29-year low, significantly below the previous record set in 2005. Melting ice can set off a cycle that causes additional warming, since dark water beneath the sea ice absorbs rather than reflects solar energy. [...] [...] Arctic sea ice is melting faster than predicted. This year it hit a 29-year low, significantly below the previous record set in 2005. Melting ice can set off a cycle that causes additional warming, since dark water beneath the sea ice absorbs rather than reflects solar energy. [...]

]]> By: MikeSar http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/10/04/arctic_ice_shrinking/comment-page-1/#comment-544 MikeSar Thu, 04 Oct 2007 21:42:22 +0000 http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/10/04/arctic_ice_shrinking/#comment-544 One of the hardest things to understand is data that contradicts a personal prediction. Whether it is "good" or "bad" makes no difference, we think it is simply WRONG! Maybe, all factors listed: "unusually clear skies, warm winds from the south, and winds and currents moved ice out of the Arctic" combined in the worst combination seen up to now, not necessarily the worst possible combination. Would it take courage to conclude that for the first time, we will see CUMMULATIVE effects in the Arctic? The first proof of Global Warming, as such? Up to now, we assume winter restores the polar caps back to "normal" and by next Spring, the ice cap photos will look identical to what they looked at the start of Spring 2007. I await silence or words in response. But, to students of heat transfer, given the mass of ocean, will accept that, sometime, cooling or heating trends will reach the point beyond which they will NOT fully recover to the previously normal, long term, levels. We shall know and see the truth by next Spring, just in time for Presidential Election on February 5th, 2008. Place your bets, ladies and gentlemen. Will we have the first solid evidence of Cummulative Global Warming effects in satellite photos by the California Presidential Primaries? Side issue: Will there be a candidate that "questions" the possibility of Global Warming, with no plans to fight Glabal Warming, "if proved true during my Presidency?" One of the hardest things to understand is data that contradicts a personal prediction. Whether it is "good" or "bad" makes no difference, we think it is simply WRONG!
Maybe, all factors listed: "unusually clear skies, warm winds from the south, and winds and currents moved ice out of the Arctic" combined in the worst combination seen up to now, not necessarily the worst possible combination.

Would it take courage to conclude that for the first time, we will see CUMMULATIVE effects in the Arctic? The first proof of Global Warming, as such?
Up to now, we assume winter restores the polar caps back to "normal" and by next Spring, the ice cap photos will look identical to what they looked at the start of Spring 2007. I await silence or words in response.

But, to students of heat transfer, given the mass of ocean, will accept that, sometime, cooling or heating trends will reach the point beyond which they will NOT fully recover to the previously normal, long term, levels.

We shall know and see the truth by next Spring, just in time for Presidential Election on February 5th, 2008. Place your bets, ladies and gentlemen.
Will we have the first solid evidence of Cummulative Global Warming effects in satellite photos by the California Presidential Primaries?

Side issue: Will there be a candidate that "questions" the possibility of Global Warming, with no plans to fight Glabal Warming, "if proved true during my Presidency?"

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