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		<title>By: Climate 411 &#187; How does cap and trade work? - Blogs &#38; Podcasts - Environmental Defense Fund</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/03/14/worldwide_emissions/comment-page-1/#comment-1163</link>
		<dc:creator>Climate 411 &#187; How does cap and trade work? - Blogs &#38; Podcasts - Environmental Defense Fund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] would be lowered to cut emissions enough to avoid the worst consequences of global warming. (See our earlier series for more on how much we need to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Climate 411 &#38;#187; We Can Do It, and at Moderate Cost - Environmental Defense</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/03/14/worldwide_emissions/comment-page-1/#comment-75</link>
		<dc:creator>Climate 411 &#38;#187; We Can Do It, and at Moderate Cost - Environmental Defense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 19:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The report looks at the likely costs of a variety of scenarios, including what we described in an earlier post about the emissions reductions required to avoid the tipping point to dangerous climate change. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The report looks at the likely costs of a variety of scenarios, including what we described in an earlier post about the emissions reductions required to avoid the tipping point to dangerous climate change. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Climate 411 &#38;#187; Part 4 of 4: Green Technologies - Environmental Defense</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/03/14/worldwide_emissions/comment-page-1/#comment-74</link>
		<dc:creator>Climate 411 &#38;#187; Part 4 of 4: Green Technologies - Environmental Defense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 1. How Warm is Too Warm? 2. Worldwide Emissions Target 3. U.S. Emissions Target 4. Technologies to Get Us There [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Climate 411 &#38;#187; Part 3 of 4: U.S. Emissions Target - Environmental Defense</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/03/14/worldwide_emissions/comment-page-1/#comment-73</link>
		<dc:creator>Climate 411 &#38;#187; Part 3 of 4: U.S. Emissions Target - Environmental Defense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Part 2 of 4: Worldwide Emissions [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bill Chameides</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/03/14/worldwide_emissions/comment-page-1/#comment-69</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Chameides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi dshepard. High altitude wind power is an interesting idea, and perhaps it can adequately reduce CO2 emissions while meeting our needs for electricity. But there are a lot of good ideas floating around, and there&#039;s no way to know which will pan out. That’s why, rather than backing any particular technology, I think it&#039;s better to get policies in place that will empower folks like you to implement your ideas.

A cap-and-trade on greenhouse emissions would do just that. It guarantees that emissions will be reduced by a specific amount by a specific date, and encourages innovation and savvy investment by rewarding the technologies that reduce the most emissions at the least cost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi dshepard. High altitude wind power is an interesting idea, and perhaps it can adequately reduce CO2 emissions while meeting our needs for electricity. But there are a lot of good ideas floating around, and there&#039;s no way to know which will pan out. That’s why, rather than backing any particular technology, I think it&#039;s better to get policies in place that will empower folks like you to implement your ideas.</p>
<p>A cap-and-trade on greenhouse emissions would do just that. It guarantees that emissions will be reduced by a specific amount by a specific date, and encourages innovation and savvy investment by rewarding the technologies that reduce the most emissions at the least cost.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Chameides</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/03/14/worldwide_emissions/comment-page-1/#comment-72</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Chameides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, deathsinger, for keeping me honest. I should have said it will take decades for the hole to be gone (i.e. return to pre-1980 levels).

The 2006 Assessment:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/csd/assessments/2006/chapters/twentyquestions.pdf&quot;&gt;http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/csd/assessments/2006/chapters/twentyquestions.pdf&lt;/a&gt;

projects that the ozone hole will heal between 2060 and 2075, some 10-25 years later than projected in the 2002 Assessment. Moreover, the 2006 Assessment says it will be more than 20 years before we see a significant improvement.

This is an unfortunate illustration of the pitfalls of waiting too long to respond to warnings of an environmental crisis. If the world had acted in the 1970&#039;s when scientists first warned of the dangers of CFCs, we could have prevented all this. Now we&#039;re at serious risk of making the same mistake with the climate - and the consequences will be far greater.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, deathsinger, for keeping me honest. I should have said it will take decades for the hole to be gone (i.e. return to pre-1980 levels).</p>
<p>The 2006 Assessment:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/csd/assessments/2006/chapters/twentyquestions.pdf">http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/csd/assessments/2006/chapters/twentyquestions.pdf</a></p>
<p>projects that the ozone hole will heal between 2060 and 2075, some 10-25 years later than projected in the 2002 Assessment. Moreover, the 2006 Assessment says it will be more than 20 years before we see a significant improvement.</p>
<p>This is an unfortunate illustration of the pitfalls of waiting too long to respond to warnings of an environmental crisis. If the world had acted in the 1970&#039;s when scientists first warned of the dangers of CFCs, we could have prevented all this. Now we&#039;re at serious risk of making the same mistake with the climate &#8211; and the consequences will be far greater.</p>
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		<title>By: dshepard</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/03/14/worldwide_emissions/comment-page-1/#comment-71</link>
		<dc:creator>dshepard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 17:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By &quot;Harnessing High Altitude Wind Power&quot;, as per the paper just published by the IEEE, the tipping point can be avoided, and I think will be. Please see IEEE TRANSACTIONS ON ENERGY CONVERSION, VOL. 22, NO. 1, MARCH 2007. One method of capturing this energy is through the use of Flying Electric Generators, as detailed on the skywindpower.com website.

I am glad to see that environmental defense is not advocating ethanol in these articles. As James Hansen of NASA points out, ethanol contibutes to global warming if used in cars. However, if used to generate electricity and the CO2 were to be sequestered in the process, this would actually decrease CO2 in the atmosphere and assist in the battle to head off global warming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By &#034;Harnessing High Altitude Wind Power&#034;, as per the paper just published by the IEEE, the tipping point can be avoided, and I think will be. Please see IEEE TRANSACTIONS ON ENERGY CONVERSION, VOL. 22, NO. 1, MARCH 2007. One method of capturing this energy is through the use of Flying Electric Generators, as detailed on the skywindpower.com website.</p>
<p>I am glad to see that environmental defense is not advocating ethanol in these articles. As James Hansen of NASA points out, ethanol contibutes to global warming if used in cars. However, if used to generate electricity and the CO2 were to be sequestered in the process, this would actually decrease CO2 in the atmosphere and assist in the battle to head off global warming.</p>
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		<title>By: deathsinger</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/03/14/worldwide_emissions/comment-page-1/#comment-70</link>
		<dc:creator>deathsinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill, you wrote:

&quot;It will take at least another 10 years or so for the hole to be gone completely.&quot;

Please check the 2006 World Meteorological Organization/United Nations Environment Programme Scientific Assessment of Ozone Depletion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill, you wrote:</p>
<p>&#034;It will take at least another 10 years or so for the hole to be gone completely.&#034;</p>
<p>Please check the 2006 World Meteorological Organization/United Nations Environment Programme Scientific Assessment of Ozone Depletion.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Chameides</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/03/14/worldwide_emissions/comment-page-1/#comment-68</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Chameides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good question and one that I get often.

Climate change from CO2 pollution and destruction of the ozone layer are basically unrelated, but there is one way they do interact. Greenhouse gases like CO2 raise the temperature in the lower atmosphere, but lower it in the upper atmosphere or stratosphere, where the ozone layer is.

I know that sounds counterintuitive. Here&#039;s why it happens. Heat leaves the earth by radiating into space, and CO2 is one of the radiators. With higher CO2 concentrations, the altitude at which the CO2 radiates to space increases and this causes cooling and lower temperatures in the stratosphere.

The cooling in the stratosphere leads to the creation of more ice crystals. Since reactions that deplete the ozone occur on the surface of these ice crystals, higher CO2 concentrations can exacerbate ozone depletion.

By the way, while we&#039;re on the topic, the rate of increase in the ozone hole is slowing, in large part because of the international treaties that have banned to use of chlorofluorocarbons. It&#039;s hard to tell for sure because of year-to-year fluctuations, but it may even have started to decrease. It will take at least another 10 years or so for the hole to be gone completely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good question and one that I get often.</p>
<p>Climate change from CO2 pollution and destruction of the ozone layer are basically unrelated, but there is one way they do interact. Greenhouse gases like CO2 raise the temperature in the lower atmosphere, but lower it in the upper atmosphere or stratosphere, where the ozone layer is.</p>
<p>I know that sounds counterintuitive. Here&#039;s why it happens. Heat leaves the earth by radiating into space, and CO2 is one of the radiators. With higher CO2 concentrations, the altitude at which the CO2 radiates to space increases and this causes cooling and lower temperatures in the stratosphere.</p>
<p>The cooling in the stratosphere leads to the creation of more ice crystals. Since reactions that deplete the ozone occur on the surface of these ice crystals, higher CO2 concentrations can exacerbate ozone depletion.</p>
<p>By the way, while we&#039;re on the topic, the rate of increase in the ozone hole is slowing, in large part because of the international treaties that have banned to use of chlorofluorocarbons. It&#039;s hard to tell for sure because of year-to-year fluctuations, but it may even have started to decrease. It will take at least another 10 years or so for the hole to be gone completely.</p>
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		<title>By: Enrique</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/03/14/worldwide_emissions/comment-page-1/#comment-67</link>
		<dc:creator>Enrique</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the relation between the accumulation of CO2 and the destruction of the ozone layer?
   Is there one? or is that another problem?

Thanks,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the relation between the accumulation of CO2 and the destruction of the ozone layer?<br />
   Is there one? or is that another problem?</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
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