http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/02/28/water_vapor_fallacy/ Blogging the science and policy of global warming Mon, 16 Nov 2009 07:13:20 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5.2 hourly 1 http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/02/28/water_vapor_fallacy/comment-page-1/#comment-1542 gwhoax Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:30:19 +0000 http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/02/28/water_vapor_fallacy/#comment-1542 Typical "global warmist" response to a logical question, call the other person stupid. Admit it, "global warming" is your religion and requires no proof beyond pledging your belief! In fact there are several "inconvienent facts" global warmists neglect to mention. 1. "global warming" is not new, it has happened several times in the distant past and caused the end of the ice ages, oh, and modern man was not walking the earth yet!! 2. Water vapor does account for 95-97% of ALL green house gases and man has no control over water vapor!! 3. Man is only the fourth largest producer of so called greenhouse gases after volcanoes, termites, and grazing animals, and possibly fifth after frozen methane deposits. This puts man's contribution at approximately 1/10 of 1% or 0.01%. Man's hubris has always caused him to take credit where none is due. 4. Global warmists ignore the effect of solar radiation levels and the strength of the Earth's magnetic field that helps keep that same solar radiation from incinerating the earth. The Earth's magnetic field has decreased by approximately 10% since the 1900s, approximately the same time period global warmists claim global warming has been happening. Coincidence? I think not! 5. "Sea ice" has the same exact displacement as sea water though it is lighter and therefor floats, melting sea ice will not raise the levels of the oceans one mm. Almost all of the artic ice is "sea ice" and a great deal of antartic ice is "sea ice". 6. NOAA and most "reputable" sources say that they believe the global temperature has risen 0.9 degrees in the last hundred years and if the trend continues they expect a total rise of 1.8 degrees by 2110. The fact is with winter temperatures at the poles hovering around -50 degrees a one, two or even six degree incerase will still freeze sea water solid. Anecdotal evidence of climate change has always been hard to quantify, but easy to quote. You have a couple of old guys that say they have never seen it this hot and you have a good discussion around the craker barrel, add a "scientist" looking for a grant, and suddenly you have "global warming", and a TV special called "6 degrees". 7. No "scientist" ever got a grant to study the status quo, they need to have a crisis to get their money, even if they have to create one. 8. The "same old thing" isn't "news worthy", the media have a vested interest in supporting the "scientists" looking for grant money. 9. Most scientists who are not paid to advocate global warming as a man made disaster belive warmer global temperatures to be a positive thing, more rainfall, larger areas in higher latitudes could be farmed producing more food world wide, less energy needed to heat homes in winter. 10. Not that it has any bearing, but how have we caused the "global warming" on Mars, it's temperature has increased at about the same rate as Earths over the last 30 years? Typical "global warmist" response to a logical question, call the other person stupid. Admit it, "global warming" is your religion and requires no proof beyond pledging your belief! In fact there are several "inconvienent facts" global warmists neglect to mention.
1. "global warming" is not new, it has happened several times in the distant past and caused the end of the ice ages, oh, and modern man was not walking the earth yet!!
2. Water vapor does account for 95-97% of ALL green house gases and man has no control over water vapor!!
3. Man is only the fourth largest producer of so called greenhouse gases after volcanoes, termites, and grazing animals, and possibly fifth after frozen methane deposits. This puts man's contribution at approximately 1/10 of 1% or 0.01%. Man's hubris has always caused him to take credit where none is due.
4. Global warmists ignore the effect of solar radiation levels and the strength of the Earth's magnetic field that helps keep that same solar radiation from incinerating the earth. The Earth's magnetic field has decreased by approximately 10% since the 1900s, approximately the same time period global warmists claim global warming has been happening. Coincidence? I think not!
5. "Sea ice" has the same exact displacement as sea water though it is lighter and therefor floats, melting sea ice will not raise the levels of the oceans one mm. Almost all of the artic ice is "sea ice" and a great deal of antartic ice is "sea ice".
6. NOAA and most "reputable" sources say that they believe the global temperature has risen 0.9 degrees in the last hundred years and if the trend continues they expect a total rise of 1.8 degrees by 2110. The fact is with winter temperatures at the poles hovering around -50 degrees a one, two or even six degree incerase will still freeze sea water solid. Anecdotal evidence of climate change has always been hard to quantify, but easy to quote. You have a couple of old guys that say they have never seen it this hot and you have a good discussion around the craker barrel, add a "scientist" looking for a grant, and suddenly you have "global warming", and a TV special called "6 degrees".
7. No "scientist" ever got a grant to study the status quo, they need to have a crisis to get their money, even if they have to create one.
8. The "same old thing" isn't "news worthy", the media have a vested interest in supporting the "scientists" looking for grant money.
9. Most scientists who are not paid to advocate global warming as a man made disaster belive warmer global temperatures to be a positive thing, more rainfall, larger areas in higher latitudes could be farmed producing more food world wide, less energy needed to heat homes in winter.
10. Not that it has any bearing, but how have we caused the "global warming" on Mars, it's temperature has increased at about the same rate as Earths over the last 30 years?

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