Comments on: The Kyoto Card Up George's Sleeve http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/02/14/george_will_kyoto/ Blogging the science and policy of global warming Fri, 19 Mar 2010 07:00:06 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: edinburgh flower http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/02/14/george_will_kyoto/comment-page-1/#comment-6022 edinburgh flower Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:54:46 +0000 http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/02/14/george_will_kyoto/#comment-6022 To be honorable I fully concord with Your belief. To be honorable I fully concord with Your belief.

]]> By: edinburgh flower http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/02/14/george_will_kyoto/comment-page-1/#comment-6021 edinburgh flower Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:52:26 +0000 http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/02/14/george_will_kyoto/#comment-6021 To be downright I full concur with Your opinion. To be downright I full concur with Your opinion.

]]> By: edinburgh florist http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/02/14/george_will_kyoto/comment-page-1/#comment-6020 edinburgh florist Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:52:20 +0000 http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/02/14/george_will_kyoto/#comment-6020 To be trusty I fully concord with Your instrument. To be trusty I fully concord with Your instrument.

]]> By: edinburgh flower http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/02/14/george_will_kyoto/comment-page-1/#comment-6019 edinburgh flower Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:52:10 +0000 http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/02/14/george_will_kyoto/#comment-6019 To be echt I fully concur with Your thought. To be echt I fully concur with Your thought.

]]> By: florists in edinburgh http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/02/14/george_will_kyoto/comment-page-1/#comment-6018 florists in edinburgh Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:51:56 +0000 http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/02/14/george_will_kyoto/#comment-6018 To be genuine I fully concur with Your substance. To be genuine I fully concur with Your substance.

]]> By: Bee Movie, 2007 http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/02/14/george_will_kyoto/comment-page-1/#comment-5792 Bee Movie, 2007 Sun, 27 Dec 2009 21:30:14 +0000 http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/02/14/george_will_kyoto/#comment-5792 [...] for bringing the honey and pollination of the flowers to visit the world outside the hive. Bee Movie. Once in Manhattan, he is saved by the florist Vanessa and he breaks the bee law to thank Vanessa. [...] [...] for bringing the honey and pollination of the flowers to visit the world outside the hive. Bee Movie. Once in Manhattan, he is saved by the florist Vanessa and he breaks the bee law to thank Vanessa. [...]

]]> By: Climate 411 » George Will Gets It Wrong… Again - Environmental Defense http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/02/14/george_will_kyoto/comment-page-1/#comment-19 Climate 411 » George Will Gets It Wrong… Again - Environmental Defense Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:38:07 +0000 http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/02/14/george_will_kyoto/#comment-19 [...] Much of Mr. Will’s rhetoric is devoted to trashing the Kyoto Protocol, and using its flaws to imply that U.S. action on climate change is pointless. He's said this before (see my response to another article by George Will). To summarize what I said: [...] [...] Much of Mr. Will’s rhetoric is devoted to trashing the Kyoto Protocol, and using its flaws to imply that U.S. action on climate change is pointless. He's said this before (see my response to another article by George Will). To summarize what I said: [...]

]]> By: Bill Chameides http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/02/14/george_will_kyoto/comment-page-1/#comment-18 Bill Chameides Fri, 16 Feb 2007 18:27:29 +0000 http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/02/14/george_will_kyoto/#comment-18 The UNFCCC publishes the most recent ratification statistics here: http://unfccc.int/kyoto_protocol/background/status_of_ratification/items/2613.php You also can find National Inventory Submissions for 2006 on this site: http://unfccc.int/national_reports/annex_i_ghg_inventories/national_inventories_submissions/items/3734.php Note that Kyoto implementation just started and targets don't have to be met until 2012. All that's available now are interim reports. But in any case, as I said, Kyoto is old news and a done deal. Now we need to be looking forward to "son of Kyoto" - what we'll do after Kyoto ends in 2012. The UNFCCC publishes the most recent ratification statistics here:

http://unfccc.int/kyoto_protocol/background/status_of_ratification/items/2613.php

You also can find National Inventory Submissions for 2006 on this site:

http://unfccc.int/national_reports/annex_i_ghg_inventories/national_inventories_submissions/items/3734.php

Note that Kyoto implementation just started and targets don't have to be met until 2012. All that's available now are interim reports.

But in any case, as I said, Kyoto is old news and a done deal. Now we need to be looking forward to "son of Kyoto" – what we'll do after Kyoto ends in 2012.

]]> By: Curious Cat http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/02/14/george_will_kyoto/comment-page-1/#comment-17 Curious Cat Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:46:30 +0000 http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/02/14/george_will_kyoto/#comment-17 Remind us again how many countries ultimately signed to Kyoto Protocol, and what's the current breakdown and projected prognosis for countries meeting or exceeding their targets by 2012? Thanks. Remind us again how many countries ultimately signed to Kyoto Protocol, and what's the current breakdown and projected prognosis for countries meeting or exceeding their targets by 2012? Thanks.

]]> By: Patrick Kennedy http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/02/14/george_will_kyoto/comment-page-1/#comment-16 Patrick Kennedy Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:00:45 +0000 http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/02/14/george_will_kyoto/#comment-16 There has been a spate of these opinion pieces recently. I have seen similar ones by Rich Lowry and Jonah Goldberg, who though they aren't as nationally famous as George Will, are well known in the shrinking circle of U.S. climate skeptics. They seem to share the same lines of argument as George Will which as you point out are either wrong or are very misleading. Fortunately these skeptics are also increasingly irrelevant to the debate. As congress moves forward on climate change legislation, I expect one of the things they will try to factor into the design of any new law will be the "son of Kyoto". We already have some sense of what the targets for a new agreement should look like. If negotiations for a post-Kyoto agreement are to be successful, the U.S. will need to be a participant. I don't think a new agreement could be negotiated without us. Would Europe participate in a son of Kyoto without the U.S.? It seems unlikely to me. I think the first step needs towards a son of Kyoto needs to be a demonstration that the U.S. is serious about reducing greenhouse gas emissions. China, India, Brazil etc. need to be a part of a new agreement as well but we cannot expect them to go before us. Time is running out to begin negotiations for a new international climate agreement that will be ready to go when Kyoto expires. Will the U.S. get it's climate house in order in time? We should have a much better idea about that by the end of the summer. There has been a spate of these opinion pieces recently. I have seen similar ones by Rich Lowry and Jonah Goldberg, who though they aren't as nationally famous as George Will, are well known in the shrinking circle of U.S. climate skeptics. They seem to share the same lines of argument as George Will which as you point out are either wrong or are very misleading. Fortunately these skeptics are also increasingly irrelevant to the debate.

As congress moves forward on climate change legislation, I expect one of the things they will try to factor into the design of any new law will be the "son of Kyoto". We already have some sense of what the targets for a new agreement should look like.

If negotiations for a post-Kyoto agreement are to be successful, the U.S. will need to be a participant. I don't think a new agreement could be negotiated without us. Would Europe participate in a son of Kyoto without the U.S.? It seems unlikely to me.

I think the first step needs towards a son of Kyoto needs to be a demonstration that the U.S. is serious about reducing greenhouse gas emissions. China, India, Brazil etc. need to be a part of a new agreement as well but we cannot expect them to go before us.

Time is running out to begin negotiations for a new international climate agreement that will be ready to go when Kyoto expires. Will the U.S. get it's climate house in order in time? We should have a much better idea about that by the end of the summer.

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